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Real Life Radio – Ep: 003 – Andy Gill: Being a “Done” with church; and on Doing Justice [Podcast]

 

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Welcome to Real Life Radio – Episode: 003!

In this episode, I have a discussion with blogger Andy Gill.

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What you will hear:

  • Andy’s background and ministry
  • Who are the “Dones” as it relates to the Western Evangelical Church?
  • What is “Justice” and what does it look like to be engaged in it, especially from a racial context?
  • Another side to the MLK legacy and perception
  • How can those who believe in Love and inclusion and Jesus practically do justice with and for the oppressed?

Resources mentioned:

After you listen:

  • Comment below – what did you think? What suggestions or stories do you have that point to Justice in action?
  • Go check out Andy’s blog
  • Subscribe to Real Life Radio over on iTunes


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  • Alan

    Really appreciated this conversation. Don’t know Andy at all and haven’t read his blog but his heart comes thru. This was so different than your talks with Jamal. At first it felt like you were talking past each other while agreeing but later seems that you were at different ends of the same bridge. What Andy was saying about acting & living out really resonated and had this feel of “Why do you call me Lord and do not do the things that I say?”. . . that the truth of Christ must be lived out not just agreed to. When he focused so much on the racial, political, circumstantial oppression found in society, was thinking there is oppression where freedom is not found in better circumstances or political rights. Love brothers and sisters who live under persecution cause they really know Christ and show Jesus as more and better thru the worst this world is and has.

    There’s this guy Eric Foley who’s from the US but who works for/with North Korean refugees and the underground church in NK, his wife is South Korean. Have heard him speak and his heart is there with NK people. He is asked when here about how we can pray for the NK church, and so he asked the NK believers. Their answer was along the line of “You pray for us. We pray for you. You are so tied into your material possessions and political rights that you have never had to learn what it is to totally rely on God.” Reading that, and the real freedom they have found in Christ, I wonder who is more oppressed. . . the NK brother who will be killed if found to believe in Jesus or the established American church who has never needed or chosen to deny self and follow Jesus.

    Came away thinking you both want to see the same thing – the reality of Christ – but see him in ways that complement. Loving that Andy offers a call that Christ must be lived in the lives of others, and not just living in our hearts.

    • Thanks, Alan. I appreciate this, and know Andy does too. “Christ must be lived in the lives of others, and not just living in our hearts.”

      Amen.

    • Aimee

      I have a friend who does missions to various places. I found it unique that we pray for them, that they would experience God’s protection and safety….she told me that our brothers and sisters who -really- face persecution (death) on a daily basis actually pray for us to experience -real- persecution so that God may be glorified. At first I thought…that’s horrible! But it really isn’t. It’s beautiful. In the “God bless America” world we live in, we often agree with things but rarely are faced with the reality to actually live them out.

      • Now there is a radical thought.

      • Alan

        It’s a blessing to know/meet these brothers and sisters who know life in Christ in persecution. Some refuse to be released from prison because they have this living ministry of Christ in the prison. others coming here to America find they miss the immediacy of Christ that they needed living under persecution. So often they don’t have places to meet, or pastors to lead, or Bibles to read or even simple fellowship and yet they know Christ in real ways and stand for him against so many things.

        I wonder if church here has the spiritual capacity in Christ to bear unjust suffering. Seems like response so often here is to fight or sue or just get angry and divide. How much more/better do they display Christ in their extreme circumstances than we do in our seeming prosperity? Who really has it better?

        Noora lives in Egypt and was beaten & pursued by her husband, disowned by her family, and has lost everything following Jesus. She has since married a Christian and they stay and minister to believers even tho she could leave. She says about her journey so far, “Jesus is worth it, you know. I love him so much… Jesus never promised we would have a rose-filled world, a good one. As I go along with Christ, I share his suffering and I know the trouble that I face is because I walk with him… The secret of joy is having a real link with Christ. We can’t help but be happy. I feel in Christ like a candle – a shining candle. I can see the light whenever I go thru darkness, wherever I go.”

        We here have much we can learn from them. . . they have so much of Christ to minister to us.